with Indonesian President Megawati Soekarnoputri
White House Oval Office
September 19, 2001
11:22 A.M. EDT
PRESIDENT BUSH: President Megawati was just telling me she had visited Washington
during President Kennedy's time. It is my honor to welcome you back to Washington
and to the Oval Office as President of your great nation.
I look forward to having a very good discussion about our relations, as well
as what we're going to do as people who love freedom about terrorism. And I
want to thank you very much for your strong statements of support for the American
people, and your strong statement against terrorist activities. It meant a lot
to us. You represent the nation with the most Muslim people in the world. I've
made it clear, Madam President, that the war against terrorism is not a war
against Muslims, nor is it a war against Arabs. It's a war against evil people
who conduct crimes against innocent people.
And so, welcome to Washington, D.C. I look forward to a long discussion. I appreciate
so very much your vision for your very important country. Welcome.
PRESIDENT MEGAWATI: Thank you, Mr. President. I will speak in Indonesian. I'm
very honored to be your guest here today, even though we are in a moment of
grief. I would like to express on behalf of the people and government of Indonesia
our deep condolences to the American people. And we share this moment of grief
I also want to say thank you, because even though you're having a different
time, you're still able to meet me in this place which I'm quite familiar with.
Thank you very much, Mr. President.
QUESTION: Mr. President, do you have any reason to believe Iraq is connected
with the terrorist attack? And if so, what would your response be?
And could I ask your guest if she could respond to her Vice President saying
that the tragedy would cleanse the sins of the United States?
PRESIDENT BUSH: First, let me -- anybody who harbors terrorists needs to fear
the United States and the rest of the free world. Anybody who houses a terrorist,
encourages terrorism will be held accountable. And we are gathering all evidence
on this particular crime and other crimes against freedom-loving people.
And I would strongly urge any nation in the world to reject terrorism, expel
terrorists. I would strongly urge the Taliban to turn over the al Qaeda organizers
who hide in their country. We're -- we're on the case. We're gathering as much
evidence as we possibly can to be able to make our case to the world about all
countries and their willingness to harbor or not harbor terrorists.
QUESTION: A specific message to Iraq?
PRESIDENT BUSH: The message to every country is, there will be a campaign against
terrorist activity, a worldwide campaign. And there is an outpouring of support
for such a campaign. Freedom-loving people understand that terrorism knows no
borders, that terrorists will strike in order to bring fear, to try to change
the behavior of countries that love liberty. And we will not let them do that.
Now, this is a campaign in which nations will contribute in a variety of ways.
Some nations will be willing to join in a very overt way. Other nations will
be willing to join by sharing information -- and information in a campaign such
as this is going to be incredibly important. It's very important for us to be
able to find where these people are.
There's going to need to be a campaign -- there needs to be a financial component
of the campaign, where we need to cooperate to make sure we cut off funds, find
these organizations that serve as front groups for funding these terrorist cells.
And so my message to all nations is we look forward to full cooperation.
Did you have a question for the President?
QUESTION: Yes. Could you respond, please, to the Vice President of your country
who said that the tragedy will cleanse --
PRESIDENT MEGAWATI: After I heard and witnessed and saw what happened, the tragic
events in New York and Washington, I immediately issued a statement which strongly
condemned these attacks, which were very inhumane. And afterwards I sent a letter
to President Bush, expressing my condolences. So this is the position of my
government on this issue. So it's very clear.
QUESTION: Mr. President, since you've declared war against terrorism, there
are a number of countries who seem to be saying, not so fast. China, in particular,
said that any strike must be preceded by irrefutable evidence. Others have raised
concerns about civilian casualties. So the first question is, are you now prepared
to provide such irrefutable evidence to countries, and what in your mind is
the biggest challenge that you face in trying to construct this coalition?
PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, first of all, we'll do what we need to do to achieve the
first objective of a long campaign. And the first objective is to bring people
to justice who we feel like committed this particular set of atrocities, and
to hold the organization accountable and to hold those who harbor them accountable.
That's the first objective of a very long campaign.
David, I think that the real challenge for America and our allies in this effort
is to do a couple of things: One, condition the world, starting with our own
country, that this will be a different kind of battle, series of battles; that
they will be fought visibly sometimes, and sometimes we'll never see what may
be taking place; that the -- and that we fully understand that some nations
will be comfortable supporting overt activities, some nations will be comfortable
supporting covert activities, some nations will only be comfortable in providing
information, others will be helpful and only feel comfortable helping on financial
matters. I understand that. Thirdly, as these various -- as the campaign evolves,
some nations may take a more active role than others.
The mind-set of war must change. It is a different type of battle. It's a different
type of battlefield. It's a different type of war. And that, in itself, is going
to be a real challenge for America and those other nations who understand that,
because sometimes -- look, the mission is to root out terrorist activities.
And there's a variety of ways in which that can happen.
Clearly, one of our focuses is to get people out of their caves, smoke them
out, get them moving and get them -- is about as plainly as I can put it. And
we're focused on that. But we're also focused, and we recognize that the al
Qaeda organization exists in some 60-plus countries, and we're beginning to
work with other nations that are receptive to the notion of fighting terrorism,
and say, help us round up these people; you can play a constructive role.
We fully understand that certain NGOs, nongovernmental organizations, serve
as fronts, as a funding mechanism for terrorist organizations. We expect there
to be activity on those fronts, as well.
So the challenge is to redefine the terms of the conflict, the campaign, in
a way that the leaders understand, and in a way that the people of the world
understand. There's a certain impatience with war of the past. People demand
a certain clarity of a specific battlefield. But this is the first -- this is
a new type of struggle. It's really the first series of battles in the 21st
Again I repeat, terrorism knows no borders, it has no capital, but it does have
a common ideology, and that is they hate freedom, and they hate freedom-loving
people. And they particularly hate America at this moment. But many leaders
understand that what happened in New York City and Washington, D.C. could have
easily have happened in their capital, as well.
It's a long answer to a short question.
QUESTION: Can I follow on one point? Do you to your mind have irrefutable evidence
that links al Qaeda, and specifically Osama bin Laden to these attacks?
PRESIDENT BUSH: When we take action, we will take action because we believe
-- because we know we'll be on the right. And I want to remind people that there
have been terrorist activities on America in the past, as well. And there has
been -- indictments have been handed down.
This is a war not against a specific individual, nor will it be a war against
solely one organization. It is a war against terrorist activities. Our nation
must do everything we can to protect the homeland, and we are. The Attorney
General briefs on a daily basis, as the Director of the FBI, talking about what
we're doing to do the best we can to protect the American people from any further
But the best way to make sure that America is safe, the people of Indonesia
are safe, is to find terrorism at its roots and to root it out, to get them
out of their caves and get them moving, cut off their finances, and hold them
QUESTION: Mr. President, now that Chairman Arafat has said he was willing to
fight terrorism and he wants to join your coalition, are you willing to talk
And, President Megawati, a quick question is, are you able to offer your government
and your people's support for this coalition, or do you have that support in
PRESIDENT BUSH: Let me first -- I would hope that Chairman Arafat backs up his
strong statement with action. We take his words very seriously that he is interested
in doing everything he can to reduce terrorism and violence in the Middle East.
That was a very positive statement he made. And I hope he stays focused on achieving
the goal he stated. And so to that end, our administration and our government
is continuing to talk to Chairman Arafat to encourage him to live up to his
words, and at the same time, working with the Israelis to encourage them to
seize the moment.
Progress is being made. Madam President, I said at the time, through my tears
I see opportunity. One of the opportunities I saw was the ability not to put
-- not only for freedom-loving nations to come together to say resolutely we
will fight terrorism, but I felt like there would be -- this event may shake
up the attitudes of the Middle East where people would end up resolving to show
the world that there could be peace there as well.
And progress is being made. And I want to tell the American people, the Secretary
of State -- even though we're focused on what happened in New York and Washington,
D.C., we're also very much involved in the Middle East. And Secretary Powell
was on the phone yesterday with leaders in the Middle East, urging them to seize
this moment. And so we have a sense of -- we now have a sense of optimism that
something positive may take place in the Middle East.
Your question to President.
QUESTION: Are you able to offer the support of your country to this coalition
PRESIDENT MEGAWATI: Indonesia has always been against violence. Anything that
relates to violence, including acts of terrorism, we will definitely be against