General John Ashcroft
German Interior Minister Otto Schily
Department of Justice Conference Room
October 23, 2001
ATTY GEN. ASHCROFT: Good morning. I'm most pleased and honored to be joined
here today by the interior minister of Germany, Mr. Otto Schily. I want to thank
Minister Schily both for the meeting that we have had here and for the extraordinary
cooperation from German officials throughout this investigation.
From the first hours following the September 11th attacks, we've been working
in full cooperation with Minister Schily and other German officials to track
the trail of terrorists. Our friends in Germany understand that the assault
on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon is not merely an assault on America,
but an assault on the entirety of the civilized world.
The United States is profoundly grateful for the unprecedented assistance and
cooperation that we've received from Germany in rising to defend the ideals
that both of our nations share. United States and German officials are working
side by side in both of our countries to investigate and track terrorists and
their activities in Germany and in the United States leading up to the September
In addition to the personnel normally assigned to the legal attach offices
in Berlin and Frankfurt, 12 FBI agents are assigned to various locations in
Germany on a temporary-duty status.
We have determined that three of the hijackers were students and roommates in
Hamburg, Germany. Mohamed Atta, the hijacker on American Airlines Flight No.
11, first entered Germany in approximately 1992 and attended the Technical University
in Hamburg from 1992 to 1999. Atta continued to use his German bank accounts
after entering the United States on June the 3rd, 2000.
Marwan al-Shehhi, a hijacker on United Airlines Flight 175, entered Germany
in approximately 1996 and attended both the University at Bonn and the Technical
University from 1997 to 1998. He left Germany and entered the United States
in May of the year 2000.
Ziad Jarrah, a hijacker on United Airlines Flight No. 93, first entered Germany
in approximately 1996 and attended a Fachhochschule in Hamburg from 1996 to
the year 2000. At that location, he studied flight training and aeronautics.
He left Germany for the United States in June of the year 2000.
The Germans have issued arrest warrants for several individuals associated with
these terrorists in Germany. Said Bahaji, Ramsi Binalshibh and Zakariya Essabar
are all wanted for membership in a terrorist organization that has existed since
at least 1999 in both Germany and the United States. Bahaji, Binalshibh and
Essabar are sought for planning and carrying out the attacks of September the
11th, 2001. Their connections to the hijackers are extensive.
Binalshibh is a Yemeni citizen who lived with Atta, Bahaji and Essabar in Hamburg.
Hijacker Jarrah attempted to enroll Binalshibh in flight school in Venice, Florida.
Binalshibh left Germany on September the 5th of this year, 2001, and is an international
Bahaji, a German citizen, also attended the technical university in Hamburg
and, together with Atta, petitioned the university for a Muslim prayer room.
He left Germany on September the 3rd, 2001. We are also hunting for this international
Essabar, a Moroccan citizen, made arrangements to travel to Florida in February
of 2001 when Atta and Al-Shehhi were in Florida. Essabar appears on Bahaji's
wedding video with Jarrah, Al-Shehhi and Bahaji.
Essabar was last known to be in Germany on September 6th of this year, 2001.
The Germans have conducted an intensive investigation in connection with these
associates of the hijackers, the hijackers who perpetrated their terrorist acts
on September 11th. The German government has dedicated hundreds of investigators
and executed dozens of searches to hunt down the terrorists. It is clear that
Hamburg served as a central base of operations for these six individuals and
their part in the planning of the September 11th attacks.
Terrorism is a threat that faces every country in the world, not merely the
United States of America. And the network of terrorists is worldwide. The United
States and Germany share the goal of tracking down, arresting, prosecuting and
punishing those who are responsible for terrorism. More importantly, we share
a profound desire to see that no more lives are lost to terrorists. Up to 100
German citizens were among the over 5,000 souls lost to us on September the
11th. I know I speak for President Bush and for all Americans when I pledge
our continued hard work and dedication to seeing that those responsible for
the death of these innocent people will face justice.
It's my pleasure now to call upon the Interior Minister of Germany, Otto Schily,
to make remarks.
MIN. SCHILY: Thank you.
Ladies and gentlemen, I am very grateful that I have received a very friendly
reception by the attorney general, Mr. John Ashcroft. And we have had very constructive
and good talks yesterday and today. It's my view that we have the same view
as John Ashcroft takes. We have very close and constructive cooperation acting
against terrorism. And I want to renew what our Chancellor Schroeder said, that
Germany stands shoulder by shoulder by the United States and assures the unrestricted
solidarity with our close friends.
We know very well what we owe the United States people, the American people,
out of the past. We know that there were young American soldiers that sacrificed
their lives for freeing us from Nazi terror. And it was the United States which
supported Germany during the Cold War and taking risks, a lot of risks to do
I lived a lot of time in Berlin, so we experienced this support in a very direct
So it was the Americans who helped us to establish a democracy and a prospering
economy, and the German people have not forgotten and will not forget. And it
is quite natural that under -- regarding confronting this -- in front of this
threat, these dangers of worldwide terrorism, we are at the side of the United
And as the attorney general already mentioned, if you look at the casualties
in New York, the victims were from origin of more than 80 nations, among also
Germans. And I think that this shows it was not an attack only against the United
States of America, but against the whole civilized world. And in my view, New
York is the most international city in the world, and this showed it also. And
it is also, you could say New York is the capital of the world because it's
hosting the United Nations, and I think this is what has happened, and we have
to crack down.
At home, we do our best to promote investigations. It is true that some of the
terrorists have been in Germany and have prepared these cruel attacks. And we
must say we failed to see it before. But to be very open-minded, we all together
failed to see it -- what has happened, what has been prepared in the United
States, what has happened in the United Kingdom, in France, and elsewhere. So
we have to reexamine our security system --that we are going to do in Germany.
I'm preparing a lot of legislation, new legislation, to do so, to have better
access for the police to certain datas, to better cooperation between those
authorities who give visas and to police, to have better control measures, to
have better identification measures.
It is a matter of fact that, for example, Mr. Atta, who was one of the criminals
who committed the crime in New York, was registered with three different identities
in our aliens' register, and nobody discovered it. So we have to have -- we
have to use modern methods of identification and to implement in our identification
cards and the passports.
It is necessary that we upgrade our international cooperation, including mainly
also the European cooperation. It was Germany who asked for an emergency session
of the conference of the minister of interior and justice in Europe, and we
met at the 20th of September, so nine days after the events of 11th of September.
And we have taken actions to improve also in the framework of the European Union
the security measures.
So far -- I again want to appreciate that I have the possibility to meet my
colleague John Ashcroft, and I'm sure that our common efforts in the long run
will succeed, and we will overcome this big threat for all over the world. Thank
you very much.
ATTY GEN. ASHCROFT: Yes?
QUESTION: On the anthrax investigation, have investigators discovered or are
they looking for letters, other than the ones that we already know of, that
might have been responsible for the pulmonary anthrax infections that we have
just learned about recently?
ATTY GEN. ASHCROFT: Well, obviously, we're aggressively pursuing this investigation
into terrorist acts. And because we would have an interest in any other such
letters, today we'll be releasing copies of the terrorist letters sent to Tom
Brokaw at NBC and the text and copy of the letter sent to Senator Daschle.
We'll also release a copy of the envelope that was mailed to the New York Post.
All of these are, we hope -- will alert citizens and others to the kind of thing
to look for and may provide us with indications about other items sent through
the mail that would similarly have provided a basis for the risks and the problems
QUESTION: Have you checked the last residences of the different hijackers that
were on the planes for anthrax? And also, right now do you see a link between
the September 11th attacks and the anthrax -- (off mike)?
ATTY GEN. ASHCROFT: Any time someone sends anthrax through the mail, in my judgment,
it's a terrorist act. You don't send anthrax through the mail without the kind
of intent and conduct that's, I think, fairly labeled as "terrorism."
And so we believe these to be terrorist acts.
We are not able to rule out an association with the terrorist acts of September
the 11th, but neither are we able to draw a conclusive link at this time in
QUESTION: Did you check their -- I'm sorry. Did you check their houses or their
last residences for traces of anthrax?
ATTY GEN. ASHCROFT: I'm not prepared to comment on what we've done in terms
of examining the residences of the various hijackers.
QUESTION: General Ashcroft, given the fact that a number of D.C. postal workers
have contracted inhalation anthrax, what can you now tell us about the nature
of the anthrax that, for example, Mr. Daschle got, in terms of how dangerous
this material is?
ATTY GEN. ASHCROFT: Well, obviously anthrax is dangerous. We've taken it very
seriously. The decisions about specific dangers in specific settings are made
by health authorities. We are the lead federal agency on investigating the crime
here. But the health authorities are those who are capable of assessing the
nature and toxicity and the -- all the characteristics of the substance and
coming to those conclusions.
QUESTION: If you feel like you're not able to make a conclusion about connecting
the anthrax to the September 11th attacks, yet do you feel like you're closer
to making that conclusion or connection at this point?
ATTY GEN. ASHCROFT: We have more information today than we had last week.
Whether that information ultimately will carry us to one conclusion or another
remains to be seen, but we are developing additional information and understanding.
QUESTION: (Off mike) -- information that you developed that leads you to believe
ATTY GEN. ASHCROFT: We're not capable yet or either ruling in or ruling out
the kind of relationship.
And I saw a hand -- yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am.
QUESTION: On the three fugitives out of Germany, what is your best information
as to where they might be now, where they could be headed?
ATTY GEN. ASHCROFT: I'm not in a position to say where they are. Their departure
-- if we knew where they were, I think we'd go get them. Their departure was
obviously in advance of the September 11th settings, and I think we would think
that they would move toward some setting in which they felt a greater degree
of security. They understand the capacity and the good faith of the German government,
and I think it's an indication of their desire to avoid capture which caused
them to leave.
Yes, ma'am, I sorry, now.
QUESTION: Those three men, do you think they're the only survivors who helped
plan and carry out the attack?
ATTY GEN. ASHCROFT: I don't think we have a basis to limit our assessment to
three. These are three that were closely associated with these three from --
that were involved in Germany. But I think it would be very misleading for us
to indicate that we thought there were only three.
QUESTION: If they are captured, would they be prosecuted in Germany or in the
United States, and --
ATTY GEN. ASHCROFT: The answer to that is yes, you know. And as we -- we haven't
QUESTION: Well, what I'm getting at, of course, is that some European countries
have expressed reluctance about handing prisoners over to the United States
because we have a death penalty.
ATTY GEN. ASHCROFT: We're pursuing now these individuals for their apprehension.
Their apprehension is part, of course, of a strategy that we have to provide
a basis for prevention. And our number one objective is to prevent further acts.
And as we've observed the al Qaeda network, we've found that individuals involved
in one set of terrorist acts frequently move on to develop and to work on the
perpetration of others. So we have not made determinations about what would
be our objectives upon apprehension. We are very focused, though, on apprehending
STAFF: One more question, please.
QUESTION: Could I ask you, just along those lines, a question of both of you:
Is there any evidence that these cells that existed in Hamburg with Atta and
the others, and the three fugitives that you're looking for now, is there any
evidence that at any time they sought to carry out or to get their hands on
weapons, biological weapons of mass destruction, or might have planned something
like the anthrax situation we're seeing now?
MIN. SCHILY: No. No. No information in this direction.