of Defense Donald Rumsfeld
September 12, 2001
3:25 P.M. EDT
RUMSFELD: Good afternoon.
I have taped a message to the people in the defense establishment across
the world, which I understand is going to be available shortly. I'm en route
over to another meeting in the White House in the next few minutes, so I thought
I'd just stop down and make two or three points.
First, we currently believe and are certainly hopeful that the number of
casualties being reported in the press is high. As you know from your own
observation out there, the work is still going forward, and we won't know
for some time precise numbers. But from everything that we currently know,
the estimate that's been widely reported is considerably high, and we certainly
pray that that's the case.
Second, I do want to again express our sympathy to the families and friends
and colleagues of all those who have been harmed by this attack on our country.
Also, we are, needless to say, deeply grateful to the many units from all
over this area that are out there and have been out there for more that 24
hours -- firemen and ambulances and different teams and squads of individuals
who are doing a very professional job for our country.
We are, in a sense, seeing the definition of a new battlefield in the world,
a 20th -- 21st century battlefield, and it is a different kind of conflict.
It is something that is not unique to this century, to be sure, but it is
-- given our geography and given our circumstance, it is, in a major sense,
new for this country.
Finally, I'd like to say a word or two to the men and women in the defense
establishment, most of whom deal with classified information. Since the end
of the Cold War, there's been a relaxation of tension, and the -- it's had
a lot of effects. It's led to proliferation. It's led to the movement towards
asymmetrical threats, as opposed to more conventional threats.
One of the other effects has been it has had an effect on how people handle
classified information. And it seems to me that it's important to underline
that when people deal with intelligence information and make it available
to people who are not cleared for that classified information, the effect
is to reduce the chances that the United States government has to track down
and deal with the people who have perpetrated the attacks on the United States
and killed so many Americans.
Second, when classified information dealing with operations is provided to
people who are not cleared for that classified information, the inevitable
effect is that the lives of men and women in uniform are put at risk because
they are the ones who will be carrying out those prospective operations.
And I -- this is a message really for all the men and women in the United
States government who have access to classified information. It seems to me
that when they see or learn of someone who is handling classified information
in a way that is going to put the lives of the men and women in uniform at
risk, they ought to register exactly what kind of a person that is; it's a
person who's willing to violate federal criminal statutes, and willing to
frustrate our efforts to track down and deal with terrorists, and willing
to reveal information that could cause the lives of men and women in uniform.
I think it's time for all who deal with that information to treat it with
the care and respect that it merits.
I'd be happy to respond to a few questions.
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary?
RUMSFELD: Yes, Bob?
QUESTION: The causality figure you referred to I assume is the 800 number that was
provided by the Arlington County Fire Department.
RUMSFELD: It is.
QUESTION: And you say it's considerably high. We've heard from the military --
RUMSFELD: I said I hope and pray that it is.
QUESTION: The military services -- information from the military services indicates
that it may be more in the neighborhood of 100 to 150. Is that closer to reality?
Or can you give some sort of guidance?
RUMSFELD: We just won't know until we finish the work. The problem with trying
to do roster checks with units, it may not include people that were connected
with the heliport, it may not include people -- contractor people, it may
not include watchmen, it may not include work people who were working in the
area. So it is folly to try to pretend that there's a number before there's
a number. There is not a number. Nor have we pinned down precisely how many
people were in the aircraft who would also be in that general area.
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, there are some in the Middle East who are saying that the
United States does not have the belly to do the kind of response to this attack
on the United States, that this administration, the previous administration
don't have it to go after them in the kind of way that they have to be gone
after. Without any specifics whatsoever, help us with the attitude that should
go into this process.
RUMSFELD: Well, I guess time will tell. My -- I guess I'm kind of old-fashioned.
I'm inclined to think that if you're going to cock it, you throw it, and you
don't talk about it a lot. So my instinct is that what you do, you should
go about your business and do what you think you have to do. I think anyone
who thinks it's easy is wrong. I think that it will require a sustained and
broadly based effort. And I don't think that people ought to judge outcomes
until a sufficient time is passed to address what is clearly a very serious
problem for the world. And it's not restricted to a single entity, state or
non-state entity. It is an attack on a way of life.
The purpose of terrorism is to terrorize. It is to alter behavior. It is
to force people who believe in freedom to be less free by altering their behavior
and redressing a balance between freedom and security. Anyone who's ever been
in a war zone, as I know most of you have, you know that when you walk out
of a building you don't walk out with your head high whistling, you look around
the corner and see what's out there. And that's not the way Americans live,
and it's not the way we want to live.
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, do you --
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, may we ask one? I was cut off for a second, which I kindly
left to my colleague, so -- we're getting word from reporters at the White
House quoting Ari Fleischer about the target of the 757 was actually the White
House, and also Air Force One was targeted. Can you shed any --
RUMSFELD: I'll leave that to the White House. I'll leave that to the White
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, your comments on the handling of classified information,
does that -- are you suggesting that it's time to move to a more secretive
government in which there's less transparency about what it is you're doing?
And how does that square with the goal of openness that reassures both our
friends and foes around the world that the United States' intentions are good?
We all know that there's a wealth of material that's classified unnecessarily
and doesn't necessarily need to be.
RUMSFELD: Well. I -- as I'm sure you've discovered, I do believe in openness,
and I think it's enormously important in a free system with a free press and
a democratic underpinning to our wonderful success as a country that we recognize
that and respect it. I also know that you're quite right, there are things
that get classified that ought not to be classified.
But what I said is enormously important, and that is that when classified
information is compromised by people who ought to know better because they're
unprofessional or uncaring, and perfectly willing to violate federal criminal
law, and seemingly willing to put people's lives at risk -- their colleagues
and their neighbors and their friends -- I think it's something that should
CLARKE: Jim's question, folks -- he needs to leave. We need to get you across
the river. So last question.
QUESTION: Was sloppy handling of classified information -- did that play some role
in the attack?
RUMSFELD: Not to my knowledge.
CLARKE: Okay, sir.
RUMSFELD: It is an issue that I think, however, needs to be elevated and
looked at and that people in all aspects of government --
QUESTION: What's the catalyst, why are you raising that today?