Op with Nigerian President Obasanjo
White House Rose Garden
November 2, 2001
10:55 A.M. EST
PRESIDENT BUSH: I'm proud to welcome President Obasanjo back to the White House.
We just had a very good visit.
We discussed our mutual concern, our mutual desire. And that is to fight and
win the war against terror. The President has been a steadfast friend of the
United States government and the United States people, before and after September
11th, and for that we're most grateful.
He has got a huge Muslim population in his country. And I assured him, and assure
those Muslims who live in his country, that our war that we now fight is against
terror and evil. It's not against Muslims. We both understand that the Islamic
faith teaches peace, respects human life, is nonviolent. And I want to thank
the President's leadership in sending a -- not only a message of tolerance and
respect, but also his vision, which I share, that our struggle is going to be
long and difficult. But we will prevail. We will win. Good will overcome evil.
Part of the reason why is we've got a strong coalition. And the President is
part of that coalition. So welcome, Mr. President. Thank you.
PRESIDENT OBASANJO: Mr. President, thank you for receiving me once again at
the White House. Of course, we have come this time to express solidarity, to
express support, to express condolence for the terrorist attack on this country,
on innocent people of all faiths and of all races on the 11th of September.
We have no doubt in our mind that terrorism must be fought. And it must be fought
to a standstill. And as you have rightly said, we must distinguish and we must
lead people to understand that there's a difference between fighting terrorism.
And it doesn't matter what mask the terrorist wears. And of course the love
that we have for humanity, and the love that we have for men and women of all
I want to particularly commend your effort, Mr. President, for the way you have
built up a coalition, because the tendency and the feeling we need to do something
quickly, that we take time to build coalition, and as you rightly said, we are
part of that coalition, and we will remain steadfastly part of that coalition.
Only, as I said, we are unique in a way, because we have the highest population
of Muslims in Africa. We are also unique in the fact that almost 50 percent
of the commission are Muslims, and almost 50 percent are Christians. That has
advantage and also has disadvantage. It is up to us to let our people, the citizens
of our country, know that whatever faith they belong to, they are not safe as
long as we allow terrorism to take hold of the world.
Whatever ideal we stand for, their ideal will amount to nothing if terrorism
rules the world. Whatever ambitions or aspirations they have, their ambition
and aspiration will come to naught if terrorism is allowed to take over a ruling
of the world.
And as I said to the President, if leaders who are brought into power through
democratic means will abandon their responsibility to terrorists, then they
might as well go home. Mr. President, in that case will have to go back to his
ranch, and in that case I will have to go back to my chicken farm. (Laughter.)
But we are not going to do that, because that would be height of irresponsibility.
We have a duty. We have a commitment. And we believe that the duty and the commitment
we have is the duty and commitment given to us by our people. And we should
not shirk that responsibility.
I believe that the coalition -- and I know you are anxious to ask questions
-- I believe that the coalition has this challenge, the challenge to fight terrorism.
It is also a challenge to make the world wholesome, more equitable, fairer and
safer for all of us to live in. I believe that the coalition should not relax
until that objective is achieved.
And I believe that we have a leader in President Bush to ensure that the world
achieves that objective.
PRESIDENT BUSH: Very eloquent. Thank you.
QUESTION: Mr. President, President Bush, why did it take so long to have an
African leader visit here, when African leaders had met such strong statements
of sympathy and statement of condemnation of the terrorists? Why did it take
PRESIDENT BUSH: One of the first phone calls I received was from President Obasanjo.
His support has never been -- has never wavered. There's no question about where
we stood in the coalition. And I'm proud to have him by my side.
QUESTION: Sir, is it still your position that the bombing campaign would stop
if the Taliban turned over bin Laden and his followers? Or has the war gone
PRESIDENT BUSH: We still have the same objective. And that is, for the Taliban
to hand over al Qaeda, the leaders, to release those who are being detained,
and to destroy any terrorist training camps. And they've been given ample time
to meet those demands, and now they're paying a price for not having met the
QUESTION: Could you tell us a little bit more about what you discussed, in terms
of reaching out to young people in Muslim countries and addressing the poverty
and the despair that they feel, so that they do not become foot soldiers for
And for President Obasanjo, could you tell us how you plan to deal with the
military action in east central Nigeria last week, where some civilians were
PRESIDENT BUSH: We did spend time talking about the totality of a war against
terror not only require strong military action, strong diplomatic action, strong
financial action -- but it also recognizes that we need to share a message that
our respective governments respect tolerance, respect other points of view.
We don't share the point of view that evil is religious. We don't appreciate
the fact that somebody has tried to hijack a religion in order to justify terror
And we also recognize that economic prosperity throughout the world is more
likely to make people appreciate rule of law, appreciate other people's points
of view. That's one reason why I've been such a strong supporter of AGOA, which
is the African trade act. That's why I believe we ought to start a new round
at Qatar, a new round for world trade. I mean, I believe prosperity can best
be enhanced by a world that trades in freedom. And I think that's a significant
part of making sure people are able to rise out of poverty.
But on the other hand, I don't accept the excuse that poverty promotes evil.
That's like saying poor people are evil people. I disagree with that. Osama
bin Laden is an evil man. His heart has been so corrupted that he's willing
to take innocent life. And we are fighting evil, and we will continue to fight
evil, and we will not stop until we defeat evil.
Anyway, you've got a question for the President?
QUESTION: On the actions in east central Nigeria by the Nigerian military, in
which some civilians were killed?
PRESIDENT OBASANJO: Maybe you don't know what happened. Let me just put you
into exactly what happened. That is an area where there have been some clashes
between two or three groups, the Tiv, the Jukun and the Fulanis. And this has
been going on for maybe 15, 10 years. At times it goes down, at times it goes
And this time when it went up, the governors of the two states where this happened,
Teraba state and Benue state, separately invited to the military, through me,
to take care of the -- what I call the lawlessness of young men who put illegal
roadblock on either side of the state boundary, and if you do not belong to
their ethnic group, they take you and kill you.
And then we sent soldiers there to clear the roadblock and keep this menace
out of the way. And they did that. And the last roadblock, the last roadblock,
in a place called Vaase, the soldiers were ambushed and taken, disarmed and
killed and their bodies were dismembered, chopped up.
And then I got in touch with the governor, and I said, do everything to apprehend
those who committed this heinous crime, and hand them over to us. After three
days, they called on me and said that I have failed, I will ask you to send
soldiers to help me in apprehending these people. And that's what we did.
QUESTION: Mr. President, thank you very much.
PRESIDENT BUSH: Good morning.
QUESTION: James Rosen, Fox News.
PRESIDENT BUSH: If that's the case, then I'll call on somebody else. (Laughter.)
QUESTION: Now that you're a wartime President, sir, interest in your decision-making
processes and those that you involve your staff in, is going to be greater than
even normal times. And yet, the executive order that you signed yesterday makes
it harder for journalists, scholars, historians to write anything about the
decisions you're going to be making and have made, even sympathetically. And
I wonder why you took that action?
PRESIDENT BUSH: We responded to a new law written by Congress that lays out
a procedure that I think is fair for past Presidents. And it is a process that
I think will enable historians to do their job, and at the same time protect
state secrets. That's why I did what I did.
QUESTION: -- be able to get their hands on documents for many years?
PRESIDENT BUSH: There are some documents are privileged, protected. And this
is just to make sure those documents remain protected and privileged. I don't
see this as anything other than setting a set of procedures that I believe is
fair and reasonable.
QUESTION: Mr. President, the Director of Homeland Security, Governor Ridge, has just
said that the state of alert, which was introduced last Monday, the high state
of alert is now indefinite. A lot of Americans are rattled by what they see
as a mixed message; being told to go about their business on the one hand and,
yet, having to look for some unspecified threat on the other.
What's your message?
PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, I wasn't rattled when I went out and threw out the ball
at Yankee Stadium. Right after, I had instructed the Justice Department to inform
17,000 law enforcement agencies to be aware, to harden targets, to harden assets.
Most Americans, Bill, understand that there is a new day here in America. They
appreciate the efforts the government is making, and they're going to fight
terrorism by going about their daily lives.
But what Governor Ridge is saying, and what I've been saying all along, is we're
in a new day here in America. We're fighting a two-front war. And I believe
most Americans understand that now. And I appreciate the courage of most Americans.
But we have a responsibility at the government to protect the people. When we
see something that we think is credible, we hear something that might be real,
we're going to notify the respective authorities to help harden targets.
QUESTION: Mr. President, given these terror alerts, given that these terror alerts are
indefinite, should the American people conclude that despite the bombing campaign
that Osama bin Laden and the al Qaeda network are no less potent or able to
conduct a terror campaign than they were before the 9-11 attack?
PRESIDENT BUSH: Oh, no. As a matter of fact, I think that the American people
ought to conclude that our enemy is fighting an army not only overseas, but
at home; that the enemy is being hunted down abroad and at home. We've detained
over a thousand people here in America, we're running down every single lead,
we're hardening assets, we're on the hunt. We're going to chase them down.
And the American people fully understand that we're in for a long struggle.
And I appreciate the patience of the American people. We are making progress
overseas in Afghanistan. We're slowly but surely tightening the net on the enemy.
We're making it harder for the enemy to communicate. We're making it harder
for the enemy to protect himself. We're making it harder for the enemy to hide.
And we're going to get him, and them.
There are some that say, well, shouldn't this have happened yesterday? This
is not an instant gratification war. This is a struggle for freedom and liberty.
This is a struggle for the ability for America, and America's children, to live
in peace. This is a struggle for the people of this good man's country to be
able to live in peace.
And that's why I can assure our allies, assure the American people, for so long
as I'm the President, this will be my focus. And we're making very good progress.
QUESTION: Mr. President, were you surprised, even if you weren't looking for instant
gratification, at the resilience of the Taliban regime under these attacks?
And are you concerned, sir, about the future -- about the disarray among the
people who may take over Afghanistan if the Taliban should fall?
PRESIDENT BUSH: Terry, we've been at this part of the battle for a couple of
weeks. And as I explained to the American people, this is going to be a long
struggle. And I am very satisfied, and the American people should be satisfied,
with the progress we're making on the ground.
The Taliban's air defenses have been completely demolished. Their assets, whatever
assets they had, have been demolished. And we're slowly but surely tightening
the net to achieve our objective. This is a different kind of war. The country
has been used to Desert Storm, or have been used to Kosovo, where we were able
to have massive formations marching across the desert, and/or simply an air
campaign that eventually brought a country to its knees. This is a different
type of struggle, and our strategy reflects that. And I believe the American
people understand that and are very patient, as am I.
I am mindful of the objective, the military is mindful of the objective in Afghanistan.
But the objective goes beyond just Afghanistan. That's why we're working on
the financial front to cut off money. That's why I have encouraged nations all
around the world to apprehend those who are known terrorists, and over 280 have
been arrested thus far.
That's why this coalition is so important, that it remain strong, to raise the
risk for those who would like to conduct terrorist activities. That's why we're
standing in solidarity with the Philippines, for example, that's working hard
to get rid of Abu Sayef.
In other words, this is a global battle. There happens to be two known fronts,
two visible fronts: one, Afghanistan; and the other, the United States of America.
And we're making good progress on both fronts.
QUESTION: Mr. President, could you tell us sir, why the administration made the deal
it did this morning in the Microsoft case, and what you would say to the state
attorneys general, who feel the concessions are so great they're walking away?
PRESIDENT BUSH: I think you need to talk to the Attorney General on that, if
you don't mind. Kelly.
QUESTION: Mr. President, two quick unrelated questions. Number one, have you made a
decision, and have you ruled out stopping or lessening the military action during
Ramadan? And, number two, if you could just comment on how California Governor
Davis handled that FBI alert yesterday, and if you think your administration
wants to issue any guidelines for state and local authorities to handle this
in the future?
PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, as a former governor, I didn't particularly care when
the federal government tried to tell me how to do my business. When I was the
Governor of Texas, I was elected by the people of Texas, and I handled my state's
business the way I thought was necessary. And I think any governor should be
able to conduct their business the way they see fit.
I think what should be noticed is, is that we are constantly in touch with state
and local authorities as to general and/or specific threats. Part of the homeland
defense is active and strong communications, so that governors, and/or local
authorities, can harden targets, respond to uncorroborated evidence, and to
protect their people.
First part of the question? This is the old two question -- two-part question.
It's one of the old press tricks, Mr. President. You're allowed one question,
and then they ask two. (Laughter.)
QUESTION: Have you made a decision, are you ruling out stopping or lessening the military
action during Ramadan?
PRESIDENT BUSH: I'll let our military speak to that. My own personal attitude
is, is that the enemy won't rest during Ramadan, and neither will we. We're
going to pursue this war until we achieve our objective. As to the specific
times and dates, we'll let the military speak to that. They're in charge of
this operation. This is not a political campaign, this is a war. And I respect
the chain of command, I honor the chain of command, and I will tell you, our
military is doing a very good job.
QUESTION: Sir, what would you say to Americans who are concerned they haven't heard
a clear answer on how this anthrax got to this woman in New York, how it killed
her, and who are afraid it could happen to them?
PRESIDENT BUSH: I would say to the American people that we're learning a lot
about anthrax, and we're doing everything we can to find out all the facts.
And when we get the facts, we'll share it with the American people.
I will also say to the American people, I believe that the hard work of our
public health officials has saved lives. I believe the fact that we've got people
all around our country working hours upon hours have helped saved life in America.
And for that, the American people are grateful, and so am I.